[BVC-CHAT] [Riders] tnp

[Willie Allen]

Well, why did you think that?  
No one suggested it become a rule either. I viewed as a 1-2 week accommodation not a rule on a ride that is designed and so named to be without rules.You can do whatever you want. 
Then anyone can do want they want. Why is there so much complaining?
who just aren't as fast as you.  
I am not as fast as I was and I get dropped regularly now days.
 
The problem with your suggestion is that only the very strongest guys will get off the front and the remainder of the group will gradually shatter as they get ridden off, leaving riders strung out all over the place within ten minutes of the turn onto Grassbur.  
i suggest they regroup, turnaround and catch onto the lead riders(s) who will be somewhat drained from their hard effort and then these fresh riders proceed to tear the legs off those stronger but now weaken riders. What great fun and payback that would be.

The only difference between your model and mine is that, on my model, the group gets strung out on the second lap instead of immediately and everyone gets a chance to ride hard for at least one lap instead of being summarily and discouragingly dropped.
IMO getting dropped is what it is all about. Why cannot riders get their hard lap in on lap 2 or 3 when the leaders pace has often settle down a bit after and aggressive hard first lap? I think a great tnp would be when 3 or less finish together. But maybe I am predisposed to think that because I am not a sprinter. Wolfgang prefers a group finish so he can do battle in a sprint where sometimes he shines bright and sometimes he merely glows. 

So as far as I can see, the only advantage of your model is that the race-pace riding lasts longer.  So it seems to me that a reasonable compromise here is to end the lollygagging after the turn on Grassbur and folks like you who are anxious to get the hard riding a-going (actually, I am as well) can go to the front and ride hard but steady for the first lap. 
I was not on the worst tnp ever but I suggest that herc was riding hard and steady (probably very hard and steady). So how hard is hard? If someone rides as hard as they can but steady (26, 27, 28 mph) is that OK?
 
 (I agree that it was as much the group's fault as yours that you and Ken were able to build such a big lead a couple weeks ago.)  Or is the possibility of attacking on the first lap somehow essential to the Maddog Vision?
My vision is that the tnp ride repetitively generates a desire/need/wanting to back off and to recover but i do not to do so. This can and has happen when I am either the dropee or the dropper. I think of it more  of a suvivorfest than a training race
 
In my opinion the tnp is not meant to be an inclusive ride. I agreed with Wolfgang that one of the things that set this area rides apart is that most of our rides are inclusive but that does not mean that all of the rides need to be inclusive.
maddog

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